My friend sent me to
this article and HOLY COW!* I never seen so much gargled ranting twisted logic since I got hammered and tried to interpret artwork at a post modernist art gallery (hasn't happened, but I'm sure it would compare). The only coherent message I was able to get out of the article is that atheists are logically illogical, or something like that, but that was after covering notions like:
- All atheists are monists.
- If an atheist thinks that logic existed before humans, his monism is wrong.
- Never mind the above, I'll just plunge ahead anyway and sprout some gobbledygook on how we shouldn't trust logic if it evolved in humans.
- Therefore we should imagine a metaphysical intelligence and say our logic came from it and therefore could put all our trust into logic - Praise Jesus!
- Now I'm gonna say how people's curiosity about the world makes no sense.
- Throw in how atheists think we're meaningless and worthless.
- And throw in how evolution is just random chance right about here.
- OH YEAH!
- At least he didn't say that the logical conclusion of atheism is to eat babies.
Now... it might just be my evolved monkey brain talking but huh-what? Somebody must be good at twister. Then again the laws of physics that work upon the twisting colour wheel are as much of a human invention as logic is (
believe it or not!) and we shouldn't trust that either. Feel free to jump of a cliff right about now... gravity is only in your head. But I digress, let's take this one thing at a time:
1) No, not all atheists are monists. (Monism, for those who don't know, is the notion that the universe is made up on one sort of "stuff"). Most are, yes. But to quote Carl Sagan and say "You see?" and base your entire argument off of it. That's just silly.
2) Now logic, is it an immaterial thing? Well yes. Does it disprove monism? About as much as the fact that you don't leave your metabolism behind when you stand up and go for a walk. I don't hear any theist arguing how metabolism disproves monism, perhaps they should, it would make as good as an argument for logic. Except no one would buy it. Logic seems abstract and fancy; metabolism, is what your stomach and cells do. But both are terms for abstract concepts we just happen to give a word to because it would kind of get annoying of saying "the action of ones body whereupon nutrients are consumed." So we say "metabolism." We say "logic" when we describe a method of patterned thinking derived from the common human observations of cause and effect.
3) This brings me to three. We evolved. Get over it.
Thank you.
4) Does it make our logic unreliable? Ok, yes. Theists, open your champagne bottles and celebrate. That is...
if there is an objective reality.
So if there is an objective reality, then there is no guarantee that we as humans can perceive it. The post-modernists have been nagging science and philosophy about that for years. However, consider the following: Does it matter? Yes, for all we know logic and things that come from it (science and philosophy) can simply be a measure of human experience. And we are all equally evolved and therefore have the same capacity for logic
even if it's flawed. We logically observe cause and effect. So we can collectively come up with decisions and observations. Could they be wrong? In an objective sense (if there is such thing), yes. But we shall be wrong together as a human species. Regardless, there are grounds to agree. It's much more philosophically firm than relying on a god to imagine and base our logic on.
5) With that, I cannot really see what difference it makes from humans evolving logic than having it imposed by a metaphysical force (whose existence, mind you, remains far from certain). Provided, if such a metaphysical force existed, he/she/it/they can provide their stamp of certification of providing good logic though it certainly won't solve the issue since, for all we know, the metaphysical force's logic could be flawed or too complex or different to understand. Or our mental faculties can be... you know...
EVOLVED. The theist's claim to have that certification for logic takes as much a leap of faith as to believe in that metaphysical force in the first place.
6) Non-human primates and many other animals also have a curiosity about the world much like a human's that they try to assuage. Are the driven by a god as well? I find no evidence for this "universe that's inherently meaningless" bit anyway.
7) And no we don't live meaningless lives.
So, as humans and atheists go. Logic, as a pattern of thought we have come to hold and rely upon, if evolved, may not sound like a glorious gift from an intelligence on-high. Yet, this capacity for logic exists in both an atheist as well as a believer, because we are both human and we are both evolved. We can deduce problems and if we look at the same piece of evidence and conclude two different things, guess what? At least one of ours logic has to be wrong. And that would be
the person with the spacious arguments.
OH YEAH!
* In no way does that saying reflects a deep down conviction that under all this atheism is a belief that the Hindu gods exist.